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Here’s the situation in a nutshell.

Israel says Iran is trying to develop a nuclear technology because it wants to create a nuclear weapon.
Iran says it is trying to develop a nuclear technology because it wants to make electricity.
Thus, the international community believes Iran is trying to make a nuclear weapon.

Iran says Israel has killed its nuclear scientists to prevent Iran from advancing their nuclear technology.
Israel says it has not killed Iranian nuclear scientists and Iran is imagining things.
Thus, the international community believes Israel is not killing scientists.

Israel says Iran is instructing terrorists to kill Israeli diplomats in retaliation of the killing of the nuclear scientists.
Iran says it is not instructing terrorists to kill Israeli diplomats, but it’s still angry for the killed scientists.
Thus, the international community believes Iran is the chief exporter of terrorism in the world.

Q. Interesting. Does Israel kill Iranian nuclear scientists or not? Does Israel secretly raid Iranian nuclear facilities – or not? Does that make Israel the other chief exporter of terrorism in the world, or not? Does Iran instruct terrorists to kill Israeli diplomats – or not? And whose side is the international community on? (I’m not asking about the US, that’s a whole other story).

Meanwhile, Turkey is rubbing hands in delight seeing itself as the big winner, as its influence grows while Iran is bickering with Israel, Saudi Arabia is bickering with Iran, Iran’s buddy Syria is losing ground under its feet, Russia is being the world’s douchebag, China is flexing economic/diplomatic muscle, and Egypt is out of the game for the time being, Iran’s buddies from the Muslim Brotherhood waiting to take over there. Iraq is falling under increasing Iranian influence, Afghanistan is nowhere near peace, Pakistan is failing to deal with the Taliban, nationalism is rising in Central Asia much to Russia’s and China’s displeasure and Turkey’s pleasure, and the rest of us are left scratching our heads wondering if all of this shouldn’t get nuked from orbit and we shouldn’t go home and have a drink. Interesting times?

Striking similarities

 Source: http://www.henrymakow.com/theargumentfukushimasabotage.html     

Former NSA analyst, Jim Stone, argues that there was no mag 9.0 earthquake. The tsunami was caused by nuclear bombs in the sea and the Fukushima explosion and meltdown was caused by mini-nukes hidden in cameras installed by an Israeli security firm. The motive: punish Japan for offering to enrich Iranian uranium and straying from Illuminati diktat. This website reserves judgment but offers this introduction by James Farganne in the spirit of free discussion. 

by James Farganne
(henrymakow.com)

When we compare the  6.8-magnitude earthquake which devastated Kobe, Japan January 17, 1995 with Fukushima, the evidence does not stack up.

A quick Google Images search of Kobe reveals incredible destruction of buildings, bridges, elevated highways, and other infrastructure.

The Fukushima quake, magnitude 9.0, struck about 70 km off the coast of Japan on March 11, 2011.

It sent a 15-meter tsunami crashing over perfectly undamaged bridges, houses, roads, and cars — over a populace which had not been warned of the incoming tsunami, because there was no mag 9.0 earthquake. They were taken completely off-guard. Yet helicopters were waiting, and people all over Japan got to watch the tsunami roll in on live TV.

What on earth was going on? Ordinarily, the Japanese people are warned of tsunamis. Why weren’t they warned? Why was there no structural damage, no reason for them to suspect that a tsunami was coming?

The quake must have seemed like nothing special to a nation of people who are used to quakes. In a video taken in one Tokyo newsroom during the Fukushima quake, staff were seen to continue typing at their computer stations, totally unfazed by it.

A 9.0-magnitude earthquake is more than 100 times stronger than a 6.8. A 9.0 should have devastated everything within a 1,000-km radius. There should have been widespread urban carnage, even worse than what Kobe suffered.

Yet the Fukushima quake of 3/11/11 did not cause a single structure to collapse.

But don’t take my word for it. Go look up the helicopter footage on YouTube.  Look at the infrastructure the tsunami was crashing onto. Not the slightest bit of damage. Common sense is enough to make you wonder.

Jim Stone did more than wonder. He dug up and analyzed the Japanese seismograms. He proved there was no 9.0 quake, and no epicenter out at sea. Instead, there were three simultaneous quakes of much lesser magnitude, all of them inland.

The authorities lied about the 9.0 quake — made it up out of whole cloth. An earthquake did not cause the tsunami. There must have been another cause.

Reactors Destroyed by Nuke
It turns out that the official explanation for the Fukushima reactor explosions was bogus as well. Nuclear power containment walls are extremely thick and strong. Hydrogen explosions could never have destroyed them. As a historical reference, hydrogen explosions occurred at Three Mile Island and caused no structural damage, nor even any injuries to plant personnel.

Furthermore, Reactor Four contained no fuel on 3/11/11, and was therefore nonoperational — yet it exploded and was destroyed as completely as were the other reactors that day. Reactor Four is like Building 7 at the World Trade Center – an utter impossibility, a blatant smoking gun. A reactor containing no fuel cannot operate; a nonoperational reactor cannot explode unless someone explodes it. The destruction of Reactor Four can only have been the result of sabotage.

Israeli Involvement
In February 2010, Japan offered to enrich uranium for Iran. Soon thereafter, an Israeli firm by the name of Magna BSP secured a contract to run security at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. They installed oversized cameras strongly resembling gun-type nuclear weapons. There is strong evidence that they planted Stuxnet, an Israeli computer virus that attacks Siemens power plant control systems, and which Israel previously used to damage Iran’s nuclear program. Magna BSP also established internet data links in the reactor cores, in blatant violation of international nuclear regulations.

All twelve members of that security team returned to Israel in the week before 3/11/11. In the aftermath of the disaster, the Israelis publicly monitored the reactor cores via their illegal internet data links. Yet no one took them to task for this.

Jim Stone Targeted for Revealing Truth

What caused the tsunami? What destroyed the reactors?

Using skills honed as a former NSA analyst with an engineering background, Jim Stone concluded that Israel was behind the destruction of Fukushima Daiichi. Now he is paying the price.

Stone proved that there was no 9.0-magnitude quake to cause the tsunami. The tsunami must have been artificially induced, perhaps by an atomic bomb placed in the Japan Trench.

The tsunami was blamed for flooding the reactors and causing the explosions. But Stone presents compelling evidence that Israel destroyed the Fukushima Daiichi plant by installing gun-type nuclear weapons in the guise of security cameras, and then setting them off in the tsunami’s aftermath.

Stone demonstrates that the Stuxnet virus continues to distort sensor readings at the disaster site to this day.

Unlike many others in the world of whistle blowers, Stone bases his conclusions on hard evidence and unassailable logic. Anyone can review and challenge his work. He is open to it.

Since releasing his report and making several radio appearances to support it, Jim Stone has been harassed, threatened, unlawfully detained, and is currently facing prison time on completely trumped-up charges.

I have watched the reaction to his work on the net. Some have slandered him. Others have railroaded his work.

No one has debunked him yet.

His conclusions have ramifications that make 9/11 pale in significance.

Why, all across the alternative media, this roaring silence on the work of Jim Stone?

Why haven’t more truth sites simply linked to his report, directing people to review the evidence and decide for themselves?

Some have expressed suspicion that Stone might not be what he claims to be. That’s irrelevant. Facts are facts. The report stands on facts.

If you haven’t done so yet, I urge you to study Jim Stone’s Fukushima report. It is well worth the considerable time and effort. Then, if you agree that his conclusions are correct, please do your part in spreading this information and dispelling the alternative media’s silence on it.

To conclude, a 9.0-magnitude earthquake never happened in Japan on 3/11; the tsunami must have been artificially induced. Nor did hydrogen explosions obliterate containment walls of concrete and rebar several feet thick. The official story is impossible. Israel was punishing Japan, and Zionist operatives now are attempting to destroy Jim Stone, the man who exposed the truth.

The original report: www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html   

Interview with visuals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G9QlynPBcQ 

Scan of the first page of the document in the cited book

via vena45, serfilatov

Thomas H. Etzold and John Lewis Gaddis, eds.,
Containment: Documents on American Policy and Strategy,
1945-1950

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U.S. OBJECTIVES WITH RESPECT TO RUSSIA Прочитать остальную часть записи »

They disclose, that US only cares about their own safety. They should to, but in this case, why we should worry much about the US? Why we should worry much about US good relations towards Russia? Let US care about it. In fact, that is the US who started talks about “reset”. Besides, the absence of the “good relationship” which Russia had to “restore”, disturbed Minister of Finance Kydrin very little, when he came to US to account for bonds of USA, bought by Russia. So, these republicians should take good care of their own politicians, who is in cahoots with Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin, who robs their own citizens. If they think, that citizens of Russia like so much Mr. Putin, that shows that they just do not want to know, what is happening anywhere outside Russia. And I would say it is not quite wise for the country that lives for 100% at expence of countries outside. I meant that total debt of US now is equal to their GDP.

Instead, Republicans would do well to take a broader and more nuanced perspective on how a constructive policy toward Russia can enhance our national security and extricate the US from the global overextension that is a major contributor to the economic and financial crisis wracking the nation.

Russia’s “rapidly shrinking population” is something that is mentioned in virtually every bit of Western reporting about the place. Indeed Russia’s swift population decline has become an observation that is so unremarkable and so self evident that it doesn’t even require any support. It’s saying the sky is blue, that Democrats are cowards, or that Tony Romo is a choke artist. There is, however, one small problem with saying that Russia’s population is shrinking fast: it’s not true.

Here is Russia’s population in millions from 2007-2011 (2007-10 figures fromhere while 2011 is an estimate compiled from figures here *). You decide for yourselves whether this is a population that is “shrinking fast”

2007 – 142,220,000

2008 – 142,008,838

2009 – 141,903,979

2010 – 141,914,509

2011 – 141,860,000

As you can see, in 2011 Russia’s population is about 99.7% of what it was in 2007. Now I don’t think that demographic trajectory is particularly flattering or awe-inspiring, but I also don’t think that a .3% decline spread out over 4 years is particularly “fast.” Indeed it’s pretty obvious that Russia’s population has been basically stagnant for the past several years, a huge improvement over its experiences in the very recent past.

I think it is not profeccional not to see, how the compensation of deaths is made by 100% by migrants. It is not the same, as high birth rate. The whole situation becomes only worse. Happy journalist states that Russia is improving much in the demography:

As you can understand that if natural death rates – do you feeel the same shivering, when saying – natural death rate? If natural death rate is compensated by migrants fully this do not mean that people of Russia began to live any better. If to compare to birth rate after WWII – with Stalin as leader of the country – you will see a clear increase. While after  12 year of Medvedev and Putin in higher echelons of power – we can see only figures, saying that people want whether to escape from Russia or suicide.

Besides, if to see other sources of information, like CIA, they are differ from Russian officials: difference in 3 Million people.

“Everything here is tacked together, both in politics and in the economy,” Putin said in a startling admission of the fragility of the stability that he prides himself on bringing to Russia since coming to power in 1999.

This is unbeleivable. At the press conference on US economy this year’s Nobel Prize winners in economics cannot answer what they think the situation in the US economy is. One of them (after a long thinking it over) says that it is too complicated a question needing much data analysing, etc. 

The other sais, “If you asked about Europe…”. Then when a journalist sais: “OK, what about Europe?”, he can’t answer either.

Nobel must be turning over in his grave.

Must watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mFdnA5UNmVw

Via anonimousi

The title of this post is taken from the text of  Irina Deduhova’s new article “News from behind-the-mirror world”, where the Khodorkovsky case and related questions are discussed.

Here are some exerpts.

In connection with the death of one one of the participants of the “YUKOS affair» there is a lot of attempts to raise the banner with the name of Mikhail Khodorkovsky. It is clear that the very flimsy reasons for the criminal case against him initiated “by my wish”, gross procedural irregularities, blatant display of brutal force do not cause anything but contempt for people grossly violating the law.

But it is impossible not to notice another thing – that all these measures were aimed at the favorable perception of “Khodorkovsky case” by society, at a fraction of a much-needed electoral PR, which has once in the past already raised the nondescript Mr Putin like by a beer foam after his phrase “finish them up in the john” which later became so popular.

“A thief should be in prison!” – proudly declares prime minister meaning Khodorkovsky, sincerely wondering why they do not applaud him as before.

In general, why is it so important to observe the principles of the CPC in “high-profile cases,” when, apparently, the whole society wants to restore the order … at any cost? Here a really significant social problem arises – it turns out that it is the entire society who starts to pay “any price”, not only Khodorkovsky. Прочитать остальную часть записи »

Yesterday a popular Russian TV channel NTV showed a documentary under the title “Gastarbeiters –  The History of All-Russian Deception”. I had been waiting for the film eagerly; knowing that Irina Deduhova should appear there. The NTV men had come to Izhevsk in September and recorded long inyerviews with her at the University, at home, at the construction sites, etc.

Unfortunately, what’s left of Deduhova’s interviews in the film had lasted less than a minute. I was disappointed. On top of all, the discussion in a TV studio was organised in the style of low-grade talk shows. Everybody was speaking at the same time; they were yelling at each other… you know.

Anyway, one may call this documentary a very important event. It is very rare that really vital Russian problems are discussed with such a degree of frankness.

The points touched upon are

1. The flow of illegal immigrants is uncontrollable; today every tenth in Russia is illegal migrant from  former Soviet republics. Official bodies cannot give even an approximate number. Officially reported numbers differ by millions.
2. There is a myth that local Russian residents do not want to do a dirty work – you cannot get a job if you are not an illegal immigrant deprived of any rights.
3. There is a myth that their salary is low. The official wages are very high, even those of janitors.
4. But the workers get only a small part of it; the rest is robbed by the employers and the officials of various levels.
5. There is a long chain of corruption from low-level policemen and immigration officials  up to a top-level persons who are interested in preserving this system.
6. The illegal foreign workers are treated like slaves, like beasts. You can refuse to pay them their money and chaise them off your construction site – there is a mob waiting outside to take their places, you can even kill them – nobody will have questions.
7. If we, the Russians, accept all this, there will be our turn to become slaves for the greedy fat thieves gobbling our country.

This is how Irina Deduhova commented on the film.

I’ll explain everything later, but let’s not be disappointed too much. Yesterday, it was not myself that mattered, we saw … the DEATH FACTORIES! And they are machinated with such a fanatical cruelty, that a person is driven there as if voluntarily, even paying money to get there. Very much like in the Jewish ghettos where their own capos were selling tickets to the train to Treblinka.

The scope and the level of brutality of the system emerged are such that on Friday evening there was no other way to say this – without using the grotesque form of a talk show.

The design of the telecast served a damper layer, it absorbed the blow, so as we had not felt the shock. We are not hardened criminals, sorry.

And those in question – they have no conscience, for them any form of discussion of their actions is undesirable. But, in contrast to us, they experience no psychological shock. I’m not sure that they feel at least something.

Let all these fascists from the security services of Russia, believing that it will be them who’ll be arranging us a “new ‘37”  and sniff out into what we read, what waltzes-romances we listen to, let THEM answer for the establishment of  DEATH FACTORIES for the citizens of the CIS. Let THEM tell everybody about it without us – how they have become the Nazis and the traitors of Motherland!  What we saw yesterday, this is an ACTUAL FASCISM!